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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Jul 4, 2010 8:41am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Happy Birthday U. S

234 years as a country
223 years as a representative republic
I feel very lucky ( and quite happy ) to have been born in this country and to be an American . Here's to you Lady Liberty . And now , the United States Bluez ....

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Poster: user unknown Date: Jul 4, 2010 3:50pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Happy Birthday U. S

"U.S. Blues"
Words by Robert Hunter
Music by Jerry Garcia
Copyright Ice Nine Publishing;

Red and white/blue suede shoes
I'm Uncle Sam /how do you do?
Gimme five/I'm still alive
Ain't no luck/I learned to duck

Check my pulse/it don't change
Stay seventy two/come shine or rain
Wave the flag/pop the bag
Rock the boat/skin the goat

Wave that flag
Wave it wide and high
Summertime
Done come and gone
My oh my

I'm Uncle Sam /that's who I am
Been hidin' out/in a rock and roll band
Shake the hand that shook the hand
Of P.T. Barnum/and Charlie Chan

Shine your shoes/light your fuse
Can you use/them ol' U.S. Blues?
I'll drink your health/share your wealth
Run your life/steal your wife

Wave that flag
Wave it wide and high
Summertime done
Come and gone
My oh my

Back to back/chicken shack
Son of a gun/better change your act
We're all confused/what's to lose?
You can call this song/the United States Blues

Wave that flag
Wave it wide and high
Summertime done come and gone
My oh My
Summertime done come and gone
My oh My
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Poster: bbbrew Date: Jul 4, 2010 11:05am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Happy Birthday U. S

I feel fortunate and also happy to have been born and raised in America. Warts and all, so to speak. Have a safe and semi-sane Independence Day American Forumites.


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Poster: ilkpssy Date: Jul 4, 2010 2:06pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Happy Birthday U. S

That has to be the best sarcastic photo of jerry.

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Poster: skuzzlebutt Date: Jul 4, 2010 7:49pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Happy Birthday U. S

Doubt it. Just one other version of America. To paraphrase something someone who knew him once said, he may have been a counterculture icon, but he was American enough to want to drive an expensive car.

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Poster: ilkpssy Date: Jul 5, 2010 5:44pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Happy Birthday U. S

I think that "expensive car" was a BMW. Correct me if I'm wrong.

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Poster: skuzzlebutt Date: Jul 5, 2010 7:03pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Happy Birthday U. S

Yup, sure was- point obviously being that he wasn't exactly skimping on living the good life.

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Poster: DeadRed1971 Date: Jul 4, 2010 5:54pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Happy Birthday U. S

Not a TDIH, but this show makes me proud to be an American. Don't ask me why, must be the AL Getaway>Promised Land, TN Jed, US Blues encore:


http://www.archive.org/details/gd1981-05-01.fob.wagner.motb-0074.92416.flac24

Sorry Charlie (Miller). I had to edit this with a better version from the MOTB guys:

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jul 4, 2010 9:33am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Happy Birthday U. S

And here's a big follow up "happy listening Forumites", wherever, whomever and whatever you are! Conservative, liberal, libertarian, independent; whether born-again or atheist or agnostic, including patriots, anarchists, and closet druids and undecideds, you all have a great Holiday, eh?

And somebody run a sp chk now and again for me--thx.

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Poster: jglynn1.2 Date: Jul 6, 2010 6:59am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Happy Birthday U. S

This is the best country

Happy belated 4th!! I was busy sailing all weekend.

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Poster: skuzzlebutt Date: Jul 4, 2010 7:48pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Happy Birthday U. S

Amen brother.

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Poster: Street Pig ! Date: Jul 4, 2010 8:18pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Happy Birthday U. S

Memories are vivid of that night....thanks to this site and fellow heads not only did I get to be there I scored two versions of a Grate night, Happy 4th!


Reviewer: Street Pig - - June 24, 2005
Subject: Twice is Nice
Although we are gifted to have such beautiful acoustics in our beloved Hampton for AUD recordings; this SBD is SWEET!. As with 83'(get da board!)having both AUD/SBD is fabulous. We were not dissapointed at this show, FOTD,Let IT Grow and LRR (Bobby & Jer swappin' solos &slide) are some of the many clean and tight versions we were given. Once again the Hampton vibe was great,thnx for the recall of fellowship and Band/Audience transference, Peace!

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Poster: Longnstrange Date: Jul 4, 2010 11:09am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Happy Birthday U. S

Proud? You been on a reservation lately. Do you know history or are you a brainwashed puppet? 240 odd years ago group of Europeans-A run away from group of Europeans-B so that they may slaughter group of millions of native peoples-(let's call them group-C). Yea, we want our own piece of this planet, and we're going to KILL anyone or any forest or Buffalo or any peace treaty that stands in our way. Which are we more proud of today- Wounded Knee or chemical warfare using blankets as a lure? Oh, that is far in the past you say?? Well then we can surely be proud of the way our great nation acts in these modern days. Blind consumerism and capitalism to the death! Kill a commie for Christ and police the world. We here in the US are going to tell the rest of the world how technology and alopathic drugs are going to enlighten them. Oh and guess what. The same way the native peoples couldn't stop them, no one will stop the techno take over. One day soon, humans will all be micro chipped at birth, and there will be no cash. I'm SO proud! Hey, who needs nature anyway, you can make cooler stuff on the computer, right? Go USA! Tell a bunch of poor uneducated kids and their families that they HAVE to die for our 'freedoms' because that is what the slogan says, then take away those 'freedoms' with the Patriot act. Are we proud that we destroyed our basic rights as citizens because the media told us to be afraid. The US government is a friggin' joke. US is probably the single biggest toxin producer and death producer on the planet. It makes me want to puke seeing Deadheads who supposedly ate LSD supporting the murder machine. People talk a lot about 'getting it' with regards to LSD trips and the Dead. I would just add this- if you are in any way proud to be associated with the behavior and mentality of the USA, then you did NOT pass the acid test. If you still have this country/that country, us/them kind of concepts, then you still need a lot more.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Jul 4, 2010 2:19pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Happy Birthday U. S

Proud? He said lucky and happy, you tit, not proud.

The whole of human history is about one bunch of fuckers doing their best to lord it over some other bunch of fuckers. Everybody, pretty much without exception, kills or otherwise removes those who are, or who appear to be, standing in the way of the fulfillment of their ambition.

You're telling us nothing new. All I see from you is sloganising, and, to coin a phrase, a good slogan and $1.50 might just get you a cup of coffee (anyone thinking of correcting me as to the price of a cup of coffee can fuck off right now).

As has been pointed out by others, you and I are incredibly lucky to live in countries where you can, by and large, put forward criticisms of the government on a public forum without fear of being spirited away in the night and wired up to a car battery.

So yes, like Micah I feel lucky and happy to live where I live. My government isn't perfect by any means but at least I have health care, decent schools to send my kid to, the freedom to buy groceries without being shot at, a legal system that may be flawed but which is a hell of a lot better than some of the alternatives, and at least a reasonable stab at representative democracy.

Instead of just telling us what you think is wrong, how about telling us how you'd put it right. Maybe you'll find that's not so easy.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jul 4, 2010 2:26pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Happy Birthday U. S

Hey Rob--figure I can afford TWO posts on this day; nothing doing locally, so have the time...wheww.

Good to see you post in response, as you always do it better than me, and for that it's a nice feeling to know you're keeping us honest and properly introspective from across the pond. Not that the Forum is necessarily "american" (note little case "a"), but, I suppose by shear force of numbers, we are just that...

I am always struck by references to Native Americans, not that I for one minute don't shudder at their plight, but the fact is they only substantiate the whole enterprise that has been the "human condition" these past 15k yrs or so (in Southwest news I find it ironic that the local Apache tribesmen [primarily White Mtn Apache] that served with the US forces under Crook in hunting down Geronimo [Chiricahua Apache] now revel in claiming him a "cousin" though the fact is they, warlike nomads they were, had arrived only just before "us", and the locals--Papago, Hopi, etc.--were all to happy to have the Spanish and then westward migrating Americans at their side in this bloodfeud).

Of course, you all, English, Welsh, Scots, and the rest, have been at it a bit longer, so you can probably see it all thru a somewhat more jaded lens, eh?

Hope all is well with you and the garden...

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Jul 4, 2010 3:31pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Happy Birthday U. S

Excellent points as always, WT. We're a tribal species, always have been, and I'd lay good money on always will be. Wasn't it Lord Palmerston who said, 'Nations have no permanent friends or allies, only permanent interests'?


You can respond off forum if you like - I 'm not trying to lure you out of retirement!

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Jul 4, 2010 8:11pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Happy Birthday U. S

Fuck off Skies?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcHBaOiQ3J8&;feature=related

Wordsmith, drop a line to THANKYOUFORYOURSERVICEMANDO@freedomdon'tcomefree.com so I can send you a link for a free download of MOJO; TP's best album yet.






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Poster: Street Pig ! Date: Jul 4, 2010 2:25pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Happy Birthday U. S

Happy Independence day! Enjoy family and friends and be BLESSED that we are in a free country!

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Jul 4, 2010 4:54pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Happy Birthday U. S

I have disliked you since your very first post here. My disgust for you has only grown over the months as you have never missed an opportunity to continue to alienate yourself from this community. Now I simply feel sorry for you!

You have shown your true colors today. You are not here to discuss the music of the Grateful Dead, but simply to antagonize the kind folks who assemble here simply because most will not subscribe to your bullshit!

Your posts suck ass, by the way! All you do is link shows, never saying why you enjoy them. Even a chimp could do that. No matter. you know nothing about the band, and have yet to contribute anything worthwile here. You are a fraud and everyone here knows it...

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Poster: ilkpssy Date: Jul 5, 2010 3:09pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Happy Birthday U. S

Showin' signs of the onset of menopause there sista.

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Poster: user unknown Date: Jul 5, 2010 4:13pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Happy Birthday U. S

Others here know it is quite a stretch for me to "defend" Cliff(y), but right is right. In the immortal words of "Ducats", "Blow Me!"


Yea Duc, I know, the royalty check is in the mail.

You bleve dat , right?

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Poster: Mandojammer Date: Jul 4, 2010 3:56pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Happy Birthday U. S

“Say what you like about my bloody murderous government,' I says, 'but don't insult me poor bleedin' country” - Edward Abbey


Yup, I am still damn proud to be an American.

Go find yourself a community...

www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-geWu-E9ys

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Jul 4, 2010 4:31pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Happy Birthday U. S

I'm not much given to generalisations but on the whole I think I'm just as proud to be British, and very glad to have made your acquaintance, Namor. I think we have a very robust community right here - pretty tolerant and open-minded, but not so open that we'll let the wind whistle through...

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Poster: Mandojammer Date: Jul 4, 2010 5:44pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Happy Birthday U. S

Hey rob -

The feeling is mutual....

The Abbey quote wasn't a perfect fit but close enough.

I for the life of me can't figure out why some in this happy, dysfunctional collection of misfits we call the Grateful Dead forum community feel the need to isolate themselves.

Enjoy your 4th and celebrate the day those damned colonists cut the apron strings and left home.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jul 5, 2010 7:45am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Happy Birthday U. S

Hey Mando--just chiming in to say "hello" as we haven't crossed paths with my reduction in posting of late, but this little thread, and those replies above to the doom and gloom component, remind me of just how much a number of us here share, and how even "newbies" can join in and relatively quickly establish themselves...

But most of all, your Abbey quote caught my attn, as he is one of my fav personalities of all time...love the movie of his first book (Brave Cowboy = Lonely are the Brave movie), and his ecological rants and raves, esp anti-grazing here in the SW. Loved seeing him speak, and hard to believe it's over 20 yrs now since he passed...and I think you got it right, as this is the one I've read:

"...Say what you like about my bloody murderous government,' I says, 'but don't insult me poor bleedin' country..."

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Jul 4, 2010 6:15pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Happy Birthday U. S

I don't know why , but I have always had an affinity for Judaism and Jewish people in general . Maybe a little growing up near NYC , maybe some of my grandmother's friends , maybe my love of history , esp. my pursuit of reading or interviewing ' primary ' sources . I've spoken w/ many survivors , soldiers , civilians and children ( they get their own category ) of WW2 . One theme over and over that I have heard is
a) how lucky we are
b) how we do not appreciate freedom , and
c) how during the war , if an army was approaching it meant cataclysm , unless it was the Allies . That meant freedom , and not being tortured , burnt , fucked , bled , starved or worked to death . Think about that .

America is a wonderful promise , carried out by quite imperfect human beings . It always will be . Now to make the circle back to the beginning . Unless drawn to the land of Palestine , most Jewish refugees from WW2 settled here in America . Why , I would always ask ( and still so , but mostly only the ' children ' remain , as eyewitness becomes secondary source ). " America is good country " , I have heard over and over , then a combo , sometimes at length , of a mixture of a , and b . The Jewish folks have been kickin' it for over 5K years on this planet , in a neighborhood where the very dirt is the ground remains of empires . For that people to feel that this country is shelter from the storm , is ..wow .... I don't have the correct words .
When I get angry at the govt. , or feel that the center can no longer hold - the extremes rant from sheet music that only they or their small circle can read , I youtube a Citizenship Ceremony . It is a simple , but wonderful ceremony . Why do so many people come ? They come because they want to be Americans .

res ipsa loquitur


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Poster: skuzzlebutt Date: Jul 4, 2010 1:01pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Happy Birthday U. S

You're walking around blind without a cane, pal. Like the other folks have said: warts and all. The idea that everything bad about this country somehow negates everything that's good is fucking juvenile.

And I hate to shock you, but few bands have ever been as overtly and uniquely American as the Grateful Dead. They may have been anti-establishment, but Robert Hunter's lyrical landscape is extensively populated by images, characters, and concepts borrowed from American folklore. "Brown Eyed Women" is is American as a Texas barbecue, Jack. "Jack Straw", "Ramble On Rose", "Loser", I could go on at considerable length. Shit even their promo art was American: look at the skeleton minuteman from the '85 tour ("20 Years So Far"). Does that look like the statement of a band ashamed or apologetic about where they come from?

When they start holding Acid Tests in Tehran or Burma, be sure to let us know.

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Poster: ilkpssy Date: Jul 4, 2010 2:09pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Happy Birthday U. S

how bout those acid test they did on recruits and so many others?

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Poster: skuzzlebutt Date: Jul 4, 2010 2:50pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Happy Birthday U. S

I guess when members of a San Francisco rock band dose the unsuspecting it's cool, but when the U.S. government does it it's bad...?

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Poster: high flow Date: Jul 4, 2010 12:25pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Happy Birthday U. S

Your post might be appropriate on any of the other 364 days of the year. Of course we should all be a bit skeptical of the political machine.

However, for one day each year, we all deserve to be proud of our Nation.

I am sorry you hate America, but I'll fight for your right to spew said hate. I have just one question. What are YOU doing about it? Beside griping and whining, of course.

Running for public office? Raising or mentoring kids?? Donating your hard-earned funds at Indian Casinos??? Paying for your elderly neighbors or parents health care?

Being so passionate, I assume you're out there fighting the fight.

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Poster: Longnstrange Date: Jul 4, 2010 8:38pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Happy Birthday U. S

You know it bro. I surely do my part. So much so that I feel no need to defend with specifics.

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Poster: jerlouvis Date: Jul 4, 2010 12:58pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Happy Birthday U. S

Hey Longnstrange,I find your post quite appropriate amongst this flag waving idiocy.It is indeed disappointing to see people on a site like this support such small minded thinking as is displayed by your average American patriot.Our government is a vile,evil entity as is every other government on this planet.I see not one single reason to be proud of where you are born,never mind the fact that what our representatives do in our name on a daily basis is reprehensible.They are responsible for countless deaths,environmental nightmares and the ruination of people lives in pursuit of money and power for the true ruling class of this planet.To think that if you disagree with the way things are you as a citizen can actually do anything to make a real change is at the least naive,if not incomprehensibly stupid.

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Poster: Street Pig ! Date: Jul 4, 2010 1:57pm
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No other country like USA you can talk garbage about and not be persecuted, remember in November

We voted the slime in we can vote them out!

The Grateful Dead were Americana at it's best!

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Poster: skuzzlebutt Date: Jul 4, 2010 3:05pm
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"The Grateful Dead were Americana at it's best!"

Exactly my point. For all that's wrong, or has ever been wrong, with America it's virtually impossible to imagine any other culture giving birth to the Grateful Dead.

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Poster: high flow Date: Jul 4, 2010 1:41pm
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For me, the bottom line is WE can make the changes. The government is NOT there to hold your hand or coddle you.

So, despite the fact that you have unraveled the grand conspiracy, you're not taking us any closer to your utopia. Whining is the easy and lazy way out. Until you can show facts regarding the scandalous actions and desires of those in power and show that YOU have taken action to improve this Nation, your gum-flapping is completely hollow.

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Poster: jerlouvis Date: Jul 4, 2010 2:05pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Happy Birthday U. S

As far as I can see I made no claims of cracking any conspiracies,did not mention a utopia in any way,at no point desired any governmental coddling.What i did was make some statements about how I felt about our government,and since those statements do not align with your beliefs you call it whining,well I'll call that small minded.As such a proud American you should understand that my right to "whine" is one of our greatest freedoms.Maybe you could enlighten me on how we could effect some changes in our policies concerning the environment,drugs,what countries we choose to invade and wage war with,how to keep the religious cultists out of decision making loop etc. etc.You seem to be privy to change making mechanisms.

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Poster: high flow Date: Jul 4, 2010 2:47pm
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"Our government is a vile,evil entity as is every other government on this planet."

I guess I simply don't agree with that statement.

The system can work if the elected participants truly serve the masses. Until we the citizens DEMAND such treatment the finger points squarely upon US. As a society, we have yet to apply enough pressure where it hurts. It can be done. All this other stuff is a distraction from the true solution. The government must serve the people. In turn, the people must act with compassion and common sense.

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Poster: jerlouvis Date: Jul 4, 2010 4:40pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Happy Birthday U. S

Talk about some utopian ideals,all we need are some honest politicians,a well informed compassionate citizenry and some well placed pressure of some sort that I am not familiar with.This country is populated for the most part with morons,it is still a fairly racist,misogynistic,homophobic,christian based culture.Good luck pulling any compassion and common sense out of the cesspool that is the American public.As for the thought of an honest politician serving the needs of his constituents,you have got to be kidding.I won't dignify that with a response.We have no power over the government at all and can apply no pressure of any consequence.

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Poster: skuzzlebutt Date: Jul 4, 2010 7:59pm
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"Good luck pulling any compassion and common sense out of the cesspool that is the American public"

Yeah, you're right. Too bad they're all not as enlightened as you obviously think you are. I'm sure if you cloned yourself and we could just install you in all the key power positions around the globe, everything would be just peachy.

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Poster: jerlouvis Date: Jul 4, 2010 9:00pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Happy Birthday U. S

I made no claims of having any answers or being particularly enlightened on the subjects being discussed,your contribution to the thread seem to solidify my moron point though.Some blather about acid tests in Tehran and how no other country could produce a rock band,the importance of Americana in Grateful Dead iconography,how it seems okay with you for the government to test drugs on unsuspecting recruits because the Dead dosed the kool-aid and so on.I'm pretty sure I could match wits with a dullard such as yourself on most topics.

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Poster: skuzzlebutt Date: Jul 5, 2010 6:07am
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"I made no claims of having any answers or being particularly enlightened..."

Actually, by calling the public at large a cess pool, that's pretty much exactly what you're doing: implying that you're above it. As for the rest, the personal insult is as always the last refuge of blowhards who can't back up their gab.

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Poster: roughyed Date: Jul 4, 2010 12:27pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Happy Birthday U. S

Well Longnstrange, it's hard to disagree with you because most of what you wrote is true. Not that I really do disagree with you. But there are some American things worth celebrating today - and for me the most important is the separation of church and state. You guys have got to keep up the fight against Christian Nazis trying to rule your lives, and we in Europe need to get the church out of our politics (WTF is a "Christian Democrat"?!). And all of us have got to stop barbaric Islam from establishing a medieval caliphate. And, as you pointed out, keep our freedoms which the state is determined to destroy.
So to keep cheerful on this fourth of July I'm reading Howard Zinn's autobiography again and opening a Piedra Creek 2003 Pinot Noir. Cheers!

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Poster: deadpolitics Date: Jul 5, 2010 6:46am
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Yeah dude... that war on terror is really gonna stop those extremist muslims from wanting to destroy the West (sarcasm)... hope that's not what you're counting on. This global jihad is a reaction to hundreds of years of European and more recently American intervention in Middle East economics and politics. There would be no reaction in the form of jihad terrorism without this very cause. I don't see the jihad reaction as irrational but you just can't fight fire with fire...

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Poster: roughyed Date: Jul 5, 2010 7:13am
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Did my post say I supported the "war on terror"? I'm opposed to the "war on terror" because, like you, I can see it's an excuse to destroy our civil liberties. Why do you think I read Zinn? If you'd read my post correctly you'd notice that I see all religion as a threat to us all. And I think a good start to combat this is to have a separation of church and state - as in the USA (and France).

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Poster: deadpolitics Date: Jul 5, 2010 12:27pm
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And I'll throw this Jerry quote before Cream Puff War for good measure:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1M5xqDQW58

I didn't follow this advice in my posting here but he certainly presents an interesting idea that is highly related to this political (?) discussion.

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Poster: deadpolitics Date: Jul 5, 2010 11:43am
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Sorry for my rash response. It came on the end of a very long night and I really should have posted when I was in a clearer state of mind. I do agree with most everything you and Longnstrange said here but what caused my reaction was this statement in particular:

And all of us have got to stop barbaric Islam from establishing a medieval caliphate

How do we do that? I wrongly assumed you were going along with the current methodology (war on terror) to prevent this from happening. I'd love to hear your alternatives...?

Having the crazy church people in power is not something I fancy AT ALL, but I see consumerism and capitalism as a religion in and of itself. A religion that brings strife upon so many economically oppressed peoples around the world, the Arab world notwithstanding.

So yes, while I fear an extremist, aggressive, unified Caliphate in the Middle East, I am at a loss for a prevention method that would not fuel the very fire that feeds the hatred of the West and consequential unification of Muslims around this hatred.

Hope that clarifies.. I don't mean to start an argument... just seeking clarity in communication.

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Poster: roughyed Date: Jul 5, 2010 2:05pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Happy Birthday U. S

Thanks for your response dp - as an owd commie I couldn't agree more with your analysis of capitalism/consumerism as a religion.
As for islam, to be honest I don't have an answer. But it bloody frightens me. I look at what it's doing to my own town. If you've read any of my previous posts you'll know my (not very high) opinion of Oldham, UK. But now we've got "honour killings"; stamping 14 year-old epileptics to death to "drive out the devil"; forced marriages; forced burqa wearing; and total lack of women's rights...
I understand the problems capitalism has caused in the middle east, but islam certainly isn't the answer.

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Poster: deadpolitics Date: Jul 5, 2010 3:42pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Happy Birthday U. S

It's a bummer to hear about all that very disconcerting stuff happening in your neck of the woods.

It's even more of a bummer that this is the image that most of the Western world has of Islam.

I am no expert and have no personal experience, but from speaking with friends who come from Arabic/Muslim backgrounds, it is pretty clear that Islam has undergone many perversions that have taken the original spirit out of the religion, perhaps to the same degree that this has occurred with Christianity.

Just like the Christian Nazis in America, the Arabs have their own religious extremists... and its these extremists in every sphere of influence: religion, business, politics, etc. that bring small-mindedness which brings misunderstanding and hatred and violence and pain.

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Poster: user unknown Date: Jul 4, 2010 12:25pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Happy Birthday U. S

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